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🗞️ Story file #1008

Finnish and Norwegian leaders hold rare call with Putin

Oct 27, 8 AM ET to Oct 28, 6 AM ET

👣 How this story traveled: from the front pages that broke it, out through TV, radio and the shows, into what people retold and what fact-checkers examined, and on into the saga it is part of. Everything here is matched to the story by our tools, so a link can be wrong; the trackers' pages say how each is made.

  1. Oct 27, 8 AM ETfirst on a front page: The Independent
  2. Oct 27, 10 AM ETfirst on TV: BBC News
  3. Oct 27, 4 PM ETpeak: on 12 front pages
  4. Oct 28, 5 AM ETretold online by 25 people

📰 Spread

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Oct 27, 12 PM6 PMOct 286 AM612leftcenterright
Front pages carrying it at each hourly run, Oct 27, 8 AM to Oct 28, 6 AM ET (peak 12), by the outlets' lean: left · center · right
Oct 27, 12 PM6 PMOct 286 AMBloombergBloombergBloomberg, Oct 27, 6:00 AM ET: Finland and Norway Hold ‘Frank’ Call With Putin on UkraineThe GuardianThe GuardianThe Guardian, Oct 27, 6:00 AM ET: Finnish and Norwegian leaders hold rare ‘frank and substantive’ call with Putin on UkraineThe Guardian, Oct 27, 10:00 AM ET: Rare call with Putin on Ukraine was ‘substantive’ but ‘significant differences’ remain, say Finnish and Norwegian leadersThe Guardian, Oct 27, 11:00 AM ET: Norway’s PM defends rare call with Putin on Ukraine despite doubts among European leadersThe Guardian, Oct 27, 12:00 PM ET: Kyiv hopes for ‘new momentum’ in peace talks after Finnish and Norwegian leaders’ call with PutinHuffPostHuffPostHuffPost, Oct 27, 7:00 AM ET: Leaders Of Norway, Finland Hold Rare Call With Vladimir PutinIJRIndependent Journal ReviewIndependent Journal Review, Oct 27, 8:00 AM ET: Putin Plans Ukraine Talks With Finnish, Norwegian LeadersReutersReutersReuters, Oct 27, 8:00 AM ET: Leaders of Norway, Finland hold calls with Putin then ZelenskiyReuters, Oct 27, 9:00 AM ET: Leaders of Norway and Finland call Putin in break with previous European stanceReuters, Oct 27, 1:00 PM ET: Two Nordic leaders urge Putin to end Ukraine war in rare direct contact by EuropeansReuters, Oct 27, 6:00 PM ET: Two Nordic leaders urge Putin to end Ukraine war in rare direct contact by Europeans - ReutersThe IndependentThe IndependentThe Independent, Oct 27, 8:00 AM ET: Finland and Norway hold 'direct discussions' with Vladimir PutinFinancial TimesFinancial TimesFinancial Times, Oct 27, 9:00 AM ET: Putin speaks with Norwegian and Finnish leadersFinancial Times, Oct 27, 4:00 PM ET: Putin lectures Nordic leaders on Russian historyBBCBBCBBC, Oct 27, 10:00 AM ET: Norway and Finland leaders hold rare call with PutinWashington ExaminerWashington ExaminerWashington Examiner, Oct 27, 1:00 PM ET: Norway and Finland break norms by phoning Putin directly to urge breakthroughs at trilateral talksWashington Examiner, Oct 27, 3:00 PM ET: Norway and Finland break norms by phoning Putin directly to urge breakthroughsThe HillThe HillThe Hill, Oct 27, 2:00 PM ET: Finland’s Stubb and Norway PM call Putin in break with previous European stanceNBC NewsNBC NewsNBC News, Oct 27, 4:00 PM ET: Leaders of Norway, Finland hold rare call with Putin in break with previous European stanceThe Epoch TimesThe Epoch TimesThe Epoch Times, Oct 27, 4:00 PM ET: Finland and Norway Held ‘Frank and Substantive’ Phone Call With Putin, Finnish President Says📺 TVBBC News, 9:15 PM ET: Stubb: Putin call 'professional and direct'BBC News, 9:16 PM ET: Stubb: Putin call 'professional and direct'BBC News, 9:17 PM ET: Stubb: Putin call 'professional and direct'BBC News, 10:22 AM ET: Norway and Finland leaders hold rare call with PutinBBC News, 3:34 PM ET: Norway and Finland leaders hold rare call with PutinBBC News, 3:35 PM ET: Norway and Finland leaders hold rare call with PutinBBC News, 6:47 PM ET: Norway and Finland leaders hold rare call with PutinBBC News, 6:48 PM ET: Norway and Finland leaders hold rare call with PutinBBC News, 6:49 PM ET: Norway and Finland leaders hold rare call with PutinBBC News, 7:53 PM ET: Norway and Finland leaders call Russian President PutinBBC News, 7:54 PM ET: Stubb: Putin call 'professional and direct'BBC News, 7:54 PM ET: Norway and Finland leaders call Russian President PutinBBC News, 7:55 PM ET: Norway and Finland leaders call Russian President Putin🧶 online🧶found retold online (the day's report)
Who carried it and when: each outlet in the order it picked the story up, a bar for each headline from when we first saw it on the front page to when we last did, in the outlet's lean color (dashed: not rated); a dot marks a new headline. Beneath, its captions on TV, the radio newscasts that carried it (bigger: the lead) and when people were found retelling it. Hover for details.

📡 wire copy: 1 outlet ran the Reuters headline nearly word for word (NBC News)

📌 linked by aggregators: Google News

💬 quoted: “Frank and Substantive” 2 “direct discussions” “new momentum” “Frank” “significant differences” “substantive” “frank and substantive” 2

🗣️ only one side says: 🫏 finland hold rare call 🫏 vladimir putin

✏️ 4 outlets ran more than one headline on it (reworded, or a follow-up)
  • Financial Times (2 wordings): “Putin speaks with Norwegian and Finnish leaders” → “Putin lectures Nordic leaders on Russian history”
  • Reuters (4 wordings): “Leaders of Norway, Finland hold calls with Putin then Zelenskiy” → “Two Nordic leaders urge Putin to end Ukraine war in rare direct contact by Europeans - Reuters”
  • The Guardian (4 wordings): “Finnish and Norwegian leaders hold rare ‘frank and substantive’ call with Putin on Ukraine” → “Kyiv hopes for ‘new momentum’ in peace talks after Finnish and Norwegian leaders’ call with Putin”
  • Washington Examiner (2 wordings): “Norway and Finland break norms by phoning Putin directly to urge breakthroughs at trilateral talks” → “Norway and Finland break norms by phoning Putin directly to urge breakthroughs”
Every outlet's first headline (12), left to right by AllSides rating

📡 Broadcast

TV, radio, and the shows that talked about it

📺 On TV

BBC News7 min
  • Norway and Finland leaders hold rare call with Putin BBC News, 4 min
  • Stubb: Putin call 'professional and direct' BBC News, 2 min
  • Norway and Finland leaders call Russian President Putin BBC News, 66 s

🎙️ Shows, investigators, satire

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🧶 Retelling

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🧶 Retold online

  • Finland's President Alexander Stubb and Norway's Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre called Vladimir Putin to urge an end to the war in Ukraine. Oct 28: told by 25 people

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🗣️ names in it: Vladimir Putin Norway Finland Ukraine Viktor Zelenskiy

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